Auston Bunsen Interview

Dec 29 2011

Auston Bunsen, the guy behind SuperConf, shares lessons learned from hosting a conference focused on web development & entrepreneurship. Auston is remarkably open about his experience and gives us a sneak peek of what 2012’s SuperConf will bring. We also talk a little about the South Florida tech scene and why fraternizing with your peers is a pretty good idea.

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  1. Auston 00:00:19

    Hello. My name is Auston Bunsen. I am the founder of SUPER: a Web development consultancy in South Florida and the organizer of SuperConf; a conference for startups and Web development that is in the second year in 2012.

  2. Ryan 00:00:35

    Very cool. And I had the opportunity to go last year and I’ve already got my ticket for this year. SuperConf was a whole lot of fun. It was good to see something in that vein. It seemed, you know, it was just, like, a really fresh conference. All the speakers were outstanding. It was very thematically cohesive. You know, sometimes you hear speakers and they’re almost at odds with each other; you get that kind of weird tension. But with this one, I did feel like everybody was kind of toeing a similar line and it just seemed great. Like, and you leave and you’re kind of ready to go do something great.

  3. Auston 00:01:08

    Yeah. I mean, that’s what I was aiming for. You know, the people that I had speak last year were great. There’s Ed Shaw, Kevin Hale, and who else did I have speak?

  4. Ryan 00:01:20

    There was Chris Jennings.

  5. Auston 00:01:22

    Yeah. Chris Jennings from Disqus was awesome. And I also had Noah Kagan who was awesome. And I think I had a good enough spread between marketing, design, and development to kind of give everybody a little bit of inspiration.

  6. Ryan 00:01:42

    Yeah. I really liked that what you had there it wasn’t necessarily a design conference, it wasn’t a developer conference; it was a people that are making stuff conference, right?

  7. Auston 00:01:53

    Yes. Exactly. And I can’t take, you know, all the credit for that. I had Carsonified, the host of the Future of Web Apps conference, to model my conference after. They were actually in South Florida for three or four years before I actually created SuperConf and that’s actually the entire reason SuperConf came into being. They ended up leaving SuperConf in 2010 and I got wind of it and I was like, “What’s going to happen in February? It’s going to be boring.” So I decided to round up some great speakers and, you know, raise a little bit of money and sponsorship and put together a conference for everybody down here.

  8. Ryan 00:02:36

    I figured it had something to do with the timing, but I didn’t know that was directly responsible for you making the decision to do something. I heard a handful of people kind of say that. I mean, I don’t really like to say, you know, there was a vacuum, right? Because that kind of seems a little more epic than maybe it was, but yeah; I think people were kind of used to having a big thing in February.

  9. Auston 00:02:58

    Yeah. And that was definitely the case and it was interesting to put together a conference without knowing anything. And I definitely understand why conference tickets are so expensive. But, I mean, it just -- it felt like it needed to be done. And what I actually heard was there was going to be someone else doing their conference right around there but I never found out who it was because it doesn’t seem like they ever launched their conference.

  10. Ryan 00:03:29

    Well, you know what happens? A lot of people say, “Well, I’d like this to happen. Someone ought to do that,” right? “I’ll do that.” And then they just don’t carry through though. And that’s what you did; you stepped up. Everybody complains about the weather, right? But you did something about it.

  11. Auston 00:03:43

    Yeah. I mean, it was definitely tough and nerve-wracking. When I stepped up, I didn’t know what was going to happen. I really feel like I just got by on the grace of other people. I had really kind speakers and great sponsors. That’s the only reason it really happened. And everybody in the community, they came together to kind of give support.

  12. Ryan 00:04:10

    So not only had you not put on your own conference before, you haven’t been involved in the creation of a con or anything similar, right?

  13. Auston 00:04:18

    No, no. It was my first one.

  14. Ryan 00:04:21

    Wow. Like, completely. Like, not even a supported role in something else. That’s a pretty big bite to take.

  15. Auston 00:04:28

    Yeah. I guess the closest I had been was doing a talk at a bar camp.

  16. Ryan 00:04:35

    That’s a big difference.

  17. Auston 00:04:36

    Yeah. It’s a pretty big difference. So, you know, I’ve got to give a big thanks to Noah Kagan because if he wouldn’t have been able to help me out as much as he did I don’t know that SuperConf would have been as great as it was last year. You know, he shared his connections, he was a speaker, he ran an AppSumo deal. Just the value that I got from that guy was kind of priceless.

  18. Ryan 00:05:00

    Yeah. I mean, so that’s a good thing for anybody out there. You know, maybe not local or, you know, they would like a conference of a certain caliber or certain topic in their area. Would you recommend they try this too?

  19. Auston 00:05:15

    I would recommend they try it if they’ve got money to lose.

  20. Ryan 00:05:20

    That’s hardly a ringing endorsement.

  21. Auston 00:05:23

    Yeah, yeah. I definitely think that if you’ve got money to lose and you want to do something good for the community you should try it.

  22. Ryan 00:05:32

    I think that’s a realistic thing to say to people though. I mean, I think all too often people look at certain things as ways to get rich quick or whatever. You know, they start doing the math. They’re saying, “I know what a conference ticket costs. I’m looking around the room. I can see how many people are here. This guy’s rolling in it.” But I think what’s easy to overlook is, you know, what are the costs to operate a thing like this, right?

  23. Auston 00:05:51

    Yeah. And even more importantly, oh, I know the cost of the tickets but yet, you know, 50 tickets were discounted to a university, you know, 25 tickets were free to people in the community. And then, just right there, you’ve lost half of your revenue. And then on top of that you add the actual costs; you have to fly in speakers, you have to pay for their hotel or accommodations, you need to reimburse them for food and taxi and whatever else. And then you pay for all the regular conference stuff. You know, like the speakers (like, you know, the literal audio speakers), the projectors, the union labor, the actual convention center, and then you have to deal with the banners, you have to deal with the t-shirts, you have to deal with the afterparty. And it just stacks up and it creeps up real quick.

  24. Ryan 00:06:47

    Now it can’t be all bad because you signed up for a second tour.

  25. Auston 00:06:50

    Yeah. I was actually a little hesitant to sign up for a second tour but I figured, you know, let’s see if I can come back from a loss. It’s kind of like when you’re at the casino and, you know, you’re down but you know your luck can’t be that bad so you’re just going to give it one more go, one more hand.

  26. Ryan 00:07:15

    So you’d mentioned, you know, Super (the consulting) and SuperConf. I see that there’s some sort of relation there. Do you want to talk about that? Because maybe that also kind of justifies this loss that you’re talking about (this loss leader), right?

  27. Auston 00:07:28

    Yeah, yeah. So at the time of the original SuperConf I was just working on, you know, some project related to, you know, learning how to program online. And the thought was kind of just flailing around and it didn’t do what I wanted it to. But as a result of SuperConf, people started reaching out and asking me if I could help with their, you know, Python project or their Ruby project and it kind of just spawned into a business. I ended up, you know, hiring a sales guy and a developer at one point.

  28. Ryan 00:08:04

    Wow. So, I mean, hey, if you’re hiring on two employees in one year you must be doing all right. So that’s good too. I mean, not necessarily that this is a reproducible win for anyone out here who’s thinking about doing a conference. I wouldn’t say it’s the best way to start a business, right?

  29. Auston 00:08:18

    Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, I think it’s a much better idea to have a plan and not just go with luck like I did.

  30. Ryan 00:08:28

    Yeah. It’s interesting. I definitely get the vibe that some of these expenses and some of these, you know, obstacles that you had to overcome. I mean, you didn’t even know that they were there, right? Like, did you even know how big of a task this was? It seems like there would be no way that you could have known.

  31. Auston 00:08:44

    Yeah. I mean, you know, you read blog posts. Like, I actually read Noah Kagan’s blog post on how to make $100,000 from a conference before I started.

  32. Ryan 00:08:55

    Is it to start with $200,000? Is that the key?

  33. Auston 00:08:59

    No, no. But that’s what it should say. That’s exactly what it should say. Or even start with, you know, 175 or 150. But, you know, you read about it and it seems a little bit easier than it actually is. In practice, it’s hard to manage what is it? There’s eight startups, eight speakers, five judges. So you’re at, like, 20-something people that you need to manage presentations for, you need to get information to, you need to taxi back and forth from the airport and help out in many different ways. And I say that’s probably the most taxing thing: managing the people in the conference. And then, you know, negotiating deals is another big pain in the butt because no one wants to budge but everyone wants your business. So yeah. I mean, I definitely was not anywhere as ready as I could be. And what’s funny is that I actually -- after SuperConf I came across, like, an interview or something with Ryan Carson of Carsonified where he talks about how the conference business is a very, very tough business. And I can’t say I 100% agree, but it’s definitely not easy.

  34. Ryan 00:10:21

    Well, they kind of spun off their conference work, right? That’s kind of what Birdhouse was for them. That was sort of taking a step back to basics, wasn’t it?

  35. Auston 00:10:33

    Yeah. So basically, what they did is they turned their company into a startup and they sold off the conference thing earlier this year in order to focus just on their company: Treehouse, which was a spinoff of Think Vitamin, which was a subscription service to learn how to do programming stuff.

  36. Ryan 00:10:53

    Yeah. That is interesting to think about because it seems like they were sort of the poster child for, you know, you kind of do consultancy or you do project work and then eventually you can get enough clout, maybe within your industry, that you can do a conference kind of thing. And then that seemed like I think I’m not alone when I just assumed, well, they must be making some bank off of that. That must be working out for them because they stopped doing what it seemed like they were passionate about to do something tangentially related, right? But then to see them kind of take that step back, you think maybe not.

  37. Auston 00:11:27

    Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think Carsonified was literally best in class as far as conferences go. When I think of conferences, you know, you’ve got three or four really top-tier conferences. You know, you’ve got, like, LeWeb, you’ve got Future of Web Apps, TechCrunch Disrupt, and, you know, LAUNCH. And those are the ones that you go there and you walk away just with your mind blown.

  38. Ryan 00:11:57

    No, no, yeah. I mean, big conferences; I would say it’s definitely worth going to. If someone listening kind of hasn’t been to a conference, you’re thinking, “You know, I can read all this stuff on people’s blog posts,” right? Because I think that’s a fair but cynical thing to say about them. That discounts just something magical about being there, right? Actually kind of being in the halls with people. Actually, you know, shaking hands with people starting businesses or, you know, people kind of solving the same problems with you. And it’s absolutely worth going if people haven’t gone. Especially if they have something in a local community. Anybody in South Florida definitely needs to go to SuperConf. Find something.

  39. Auston 00:12:40

    Yeah. Maybe one of the excuses that someone would tell themselves is, “Oh, I’m doing a startup. I don’t have money or time to do that. I need to focus.” The reality is, you know, there’s an opportunity for you here. Last year we had eight companies present and launch their product at SuperConf. And the winner ended up raising 1.2 million dollars and was featured in Time Magazine’s publication: Techland. And not only that, you know, they were covered elsewhere. I think one of the titles for the blog post that was covering them for SuperConf was something like “ShoeFitter: the company that Amazon has to buy immediately” or something like that.

  40. Ryan 00:13:23

    It’s a good headline.

  41. Auston 00:13:24

    Yeah. It’s great. I think it ended up getting, like, 10,000 hits or something like that. And then on top of that, you know, we push hard for other press. A couple of the companies last year were in the Miami Herald. And, you know, last year we ended up having 25,000 in cash and prizes with mostly prizes. We ended up doing, like, 5,000 in cash. But this year we’re putting up 10,000. And that’s going to be 10,000 in cash for the winner, plus 15,000 in prizes is what we’re going to be aiming for.

  42. Ryan 00:13:59

    That’s not bad.

  43. Auston 00:14:00

    Yeah. And that’s just, again, testament to sponsors. I have a venture company called Quotidian Ventures coming in to back this 10,000. So, you know, there’s connections to be made no matter what part of the Web you’re on; whether you’re building a company from the ground up or you’re working at, you know, let’s say CBS Sports or something. You know, you’re going to be able to learn from people like Jeremy Ashkenas, the creator of CoffeeScript, to Dustin Curtis who’s, in my opinion, one of the best designers in the world right now. You know, I’ve got other guys like Luke Seeley from MetaLab Design. And, I mean, the speaker list this year, I think, trumps last years and I think that was pretty hard to do.

  44. Ryan 00:14:51

    Yeah. It was a great lineup, I thought. It was good, yeah, as a graphic designer to see last year, you know, I think Chris and Kevin did fantastic jobs. You know, Kevin up there with the, you know, extremely analytical look at design; explaining that it’s far more than just, you know, hanging drapes. I think that was awesome.

  45. Auston 00:15:12

    Yeah. And I loved the interview that you guys did where he expounded on all of the points that he had in his presentation.

  46. Ryan 00:15:20

    Yeah. I had a lot of fun with that one. We’ll link that one up in the show notes. So I know you do this consulting thing and now you’re doing this conference thing. It seems like -- I don’t want to call you a generalist because people don’t like that term, but it does seem like you like to kind of reach out and try all kinds of different things. What else are you working on?

  47. Auston 00:15:35

    Yeah. So I’ve got Made in South Florida, which is a joint effort between me, Tom Siodlak, and Igor Guerrero. I actually met Tom at the SuperConf last year and we ended up collaborating on, which is basically a directory for all the people, events, and companies in South Florida that are doing things on the Web.

  48. Ryan 00:15:58

    That’s pretty cool. So not exactly a job board, but really just an interest board. Like, people can kind of just connect in general?

  49. Auston 00:16:06

    Yeah. I mean, it’s really more of just kind of like a directory. You can add yourself by just logging in with Twitter and, you know, you just add your Dribbble, your Forrst, your GitHub, your Stack Overflow. Whatever, you know, profiles you want to attach to it. And, you know, I’ve actually used it to connect with a couple of people in the community (you know, icon designers and such). And it’s been a pretty valuable resource. And then I guess the really cool thing is we actually sort the events by popularity on Twitter within our members. So, you know, if there’s something that is particularly interesting, it bubbles up to the top on the front page.

  50. Ryan 00:16:49

    That’s funny. It’s another one of those things that I think people could look at and say, “Well, why would you put the effort into that,” right? Because it’s, you know, doing a solid for the community?

  51. Auston 00:16:58

    Yeah. I think the original intention that we had was actually to turn it into a jobs board, but it never got that far. Right now it stands in kind of a limbo of half-completion and we really need to give it some TLC. So this is a call to Igor and Tom to help out and make this thing a little bit better. And, you know, the other stuff I’m working on, I mean, I’m not even really working on this anymore but I created a little widget called Mppr.Me where you can go there and get, like, an embeddable map that allows you to send directions to a cellphone. And, you know, it’s in use by I think 384 locations. And it’s built on Tropo so that’s pretty cool.

  52. Ryan 00:17:47

    Cool. They were a sponsor last year, right?

  53. Auston 00:17:50

    Yeah. Tropo was a sponsor. They’ve got a pretty cool platform. I’ve seen some interesting things built on their platform. Actually, at the Hack Day thing that I was at, one of the companies (OrderTaker), they built their application on Tropo. OrderTaker is just, like, a thing where you can order food online and then it calls the restaurant for you and places your order.

  54. Ryan 00:18:13

    Oh, that’s neat. I like when restaurants do that, but then I just get frustrated with the other restaurants that don’t. So it’s interesting to have a service that could do that for you.

  55. Auston 00:18:23

    Yeah. And I guess that’s kind of a good segue into, you know, this other thing that I’m working on. I’ve got some kick-ass cofounders, Sunil Alvaraz and Eric Ratalat. We’re working on, actually, a competing service where you’re able to order food online from any restaurant in your area.

  56. Ryan 00:18:44

    Oh, is this breaking news? Am I breaking this story right now?

  57. Auston 00:18:46

    I guess you could say you are breaking the news on Munchables.

  58. Ryan 00:18:51

    I love a good scoop.

  59. Auston 00:18:53

    Yeah. You know, I’ve been working on it for a little bit now and I’m happy to have these guys on board. We’re going to be releasing a pilot within the next (I don’t know, let’s say) 7-14 days in the zip code up in Broward County. So we’ll see how that goes.

  60. Ryan 00:19:11

    Cool. Yeah, I mean, there’s been so many places where I order and I think it’s so inefficient to try and order over the phone that I think that there’s got to be a better way, right? Like, if they could be helped. They do really good at making veal parmigiana, but what they don’t do so well is make it easy for me to order it.

  61. Auston 00:19:31

    Yeah. I mean, that’s kind of an age-old problem. And depending on the technology that the business employs, it can be a real pain. You know, when they have the lowest-tech solution you end up on hold for 5 to 10 minutes, sometimes 15 if it’s a really busy place. And you end up with orders that may not be what you asked for. So when you kind of take away that process from a person who can actually make a mistake and you put it into a computer’s hands.

  62. Ryan 00:20:04

    That are completely infallible.

  63. Auston 00:20:06

    Yeah. The margin for error goes down just a tiny bit.

  64. Ryan 00:20:12

    Very cool. So what specifically are you solving with this thing other than, you know, I mean, broadly communication. But how does it work?

  65. Auston 00:20:18

    Yeah. So how does it work. It’s pretty simple. You just enter your address, we show you the restaurants that do takeout or delivery in your area that are open right now, and you place your order.

  66. Ryan 00:20:33

    So you place your order, I mean, do you call a service or you’re typing it in or what are you doing?

  67. Auston 00:20:37

    If you’ve ever used the Dominos ordering system, imagine if that system was for every single restaurant within your delivery radius.

  68. Ryan 00:20:47

    Now imagine that I’ve not used the Dominos delivery service and explain it to me again.

  69. Auston 00:20:52

    Okay. Imagine a service where you can just select the items that you want to order. You know, just like a shopping cart or and you just add what you want to your cart and you click checkout, you give us your address, and we send the order to the restaurant and they send you your food.

  70. Ryan 00:21:15

    Awesome. So it’s just like any other, you know, like, e-commerce checkout thing. You just add that layer on top of other businesses that otherwise don’t have that kind of thing.

  71. Auston 00:21:23


  72. Ryan 00:21:24

    Awesome. Yeah. So there’s no margin for, you know, translation issues, like, they don’t hear something or you order the appetizer size and they got you a third entree or something like that.

  73. Auston 00:21:34

    Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You know, so we’re in the really, really early stages. All we have is a couple of commitments from restaurants and we’re kind of just testing this out to see what people say. But, you know, I definitely want to come back on the show if you’ll have me and talk about it a lot more when I have something worth talking about.

  74. Ryan 00:21:52

    No. Absolutely. And, yeah, I can respect that, you know, it’s still early days and a little bit of stealth mode there. I’m glad that you opened up as much as you did. So I think this is cool for people to think about the conference. And here; I mean, you know, not only do you do the consultant thing, you’ve got your own startup. I mean, I think that there’s a lot of pundits out there, you know, there’s a lot of people who are experts in things that they don’t do. And I know I personally would much rather be involved with something where, you know, it’s an expert in the field. Someone who is actually doing this thing that they’re also talking about, right? So very cool. So let’s talk a little bit more about -- yeah, this year. I think we talked a bit about last year. It was awesome. I really enjoyed it. I think everyone that I’ve talked to had nothing but fantastic things to say about it. It went extremely smooth. Not just, not extremely smooth for a first-time conference but, you know, I’ve been to different conferences where people’ve done a few years and they had way more technical hiccups than what you had. So that was great. You’ve shown that you can put on a good show. Entice us more about this year. I mean, you talked about the prize money for anybody showing. You know what’s interesting is (let me just do one little aside here) it’s funny how you’re much more practical. When you talk about people ought to go to conferences because of all these opportunities that they could raise. All I was thinking about was if you’re doing a startup it’s important to go out there just so you don’t get burned out, right? Kind of like feeling like other people are solving the problems. So I think it’s worth underscoring both of those as just general reasons to go out there and meet people.

  75. Auston 00:23:27

    Agreed. I think Paul Graham said something really great about this. I think it’s something like, “Meeting people increases your luck surface area,” or something of that sort.

  76. Ryan 00:23:38

    Sort of like the old witticism, you know, “Luck is where hard work meets opportunity,” right? Something like that.

  77. Auston 00:23:44

    Yeah. Something like that. But basically, you know, the premise is the more people you meet and the harder you work the higher the likelihood of you becoming lucky. And what I mean by “lucky” is, you know, having that strategic connection that pushes you over the edge, right?

  78. Ryan 00:24:01

    There’s always a certain element at the right place at the right time, right? Or an element of who you know or something like that. There’s a lot of really talented people that are working hard that maybe don’t quite hit the right opportunity. You have to do both. I mean, you have to know your stuff and you have to be able to perform, but you also have to be around the opportunities.

  79. Auston 00:24:18

    Exactly. And I think that’s what conferences really provide: a unique opportunity to meet more people; to beget more opportunities.

  80. Ryan 00:24:27

    And another thing you had mentioned earlier; you said now you fully understand why conferences cost so much, but yours really doesn’t. I mean, you know, hundreds of dollars, usually. Yours is, like, you’re just under 300 bucks right now, right?

  81. Auston 00:24:40

    Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, the main reason for that is because I want as many people to go as possible.

  82. Ryan 00:24:45

    So it’s worth mentioning; we need to tell people sign up quick because these prices are just going up. So the longer you wait, the more it’s going to cost to get in.

  83. Auston 00:24:54

    Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, what I’ve done is, you know, last year I did the same thing, but I wasn’t really explicit about it. I just kept raising the prices in batches. This year I’m being kind of explicit. And, you know, I’m starting the ticket prices off at 275 and they’re going to end up at, you know, roughly 375 whenever the event rolls around. So the sooner you act, the cheaper the price that you’re going to get. I don’t know if you made it to the afterparty last year, but it was an interesting afterparty to say the least.

  84. Ryan 00:25:30

    Yeah. Yeah. It was a lot of fun. Rooftop.

  85. Auston 00:25:32

    Yeah. And, I mean, for me that’s my favorite part of the entire conference.

  86. Ryan 00:25:38

    Sure. After you’ve done that much work, you need a drink.

  87. Auston 00:25:41

    Yeah. I think it’s great to just be able to take in the view and meet people and just talk about what’s going on and network, basically.

  88. Ryan 00:25:53

    Yeah. Definitely, I would say if people go to these events, do not miss if there’s some sort of after-event. I’m often amazed at the kind of fall-off that generally comes. It’s, you know, I think people -- they show up, they’re there for eight hours, and they’re done. But, I mean, it really gets fun because such great topics are covered during and then what happens after is you kind of get to decompress, you’re digesting some of this information with people, everybody’s got their own take. Sometimes it can even be like, you know, “That guy was full of hot air, right?” “Yeah, yeah. I thought so too.” This can even -- even if you don’t like something that’s said, like, this way that you can kind of internalize that information in a more casual way. Also, not talking about anything that happened at the conference that day. Because if you’re just around a bunch of people who are generally like-minded in a certain way, the other things that you can share with each other are a lot of fun too.

  89. Auston 00:26:49

    Yeah. I mean, I definitely agree with that. Like, for instance, this past event; one of the attendees ended up working for AppSumo, right? So the guy came to SuperConf without a job and he left with a connection that ended up becoming his employer.

  90. Ryan 00:27:10

    That’s cool. That’s cool. Everybody’s making money at this thing. Everybody but you.

  91. Auston 00:27:15

    Yeah. Overall, it’s a very valuable experience. But something that, you know, I feel that we should definitely touch on is the other events in February. You know, we’ve got a BarCamp happening, we have Code Camp, we have Word Camp being organized by David Bisset and, you know, we have an Android Development Boot Camp by Andrej K, and we have an Arduino Hardware Workshop. Not to mention the Refresh Miami that is going to be epic and, you know, whatever other drink-ups happen that week.

  92. Ryan 00:27:53

    Yeah. It’s a good time to be in South Florida. The weather’s beautiful. Everybody needs to come on down here. If they’re not local, they can get here for -- somehow convince their boss to let them down here. There’s never a better time. It’s interesting that you bring up so many things. Especially because it seems like February usually feels like a dry month to people. But man, there’s a lot of stuff happening around here for a place that no one really thinks about being, like, a big tech scene, right?

  93. Auston 00:28:15

    Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we’re definitely not thought about as a big tech scene, but interestingly enough that’s starting to kind of happen. There was recently a report that Miami is number seven in the nation for job growth in the tech industry. So there’s things happening that are, you know, pretty cool. I mean, overall the general scene down here is growing. You know, we’ve got companies like Carrott Cloud, we’ve got companies like Linxter. You know, the newest company I guess you could say is, like, Senzari. You know, they’re doing music; it’s a music startup. They’ve got, like, two million dollars in funding. So it’s a good time to be down here.

  94. Ryan 00:28:58

    Yeah. I’m liking it. It’s kind of funny. I’m a transplant and I came down here chasing work and I was thinking, “Oh, Miami. That’s, like, a big design area, right?” And then I get down here and I’m like, “Oh, it’s, like, interior design. That’s not what I was thinking I was getting into.” But luckily, actually through FOWA I found Refresh and a handful of other things and it’s like, “Oh, wow. Why is no one talking about all of this? This is fantastic.”

  95. Auston 00:29:25

    Yeah. And I think you’re right. I found out about Refresh I think through FOWA but, you know, there isn’t too many people talking about it. And, you know, that’s why I’m big on your show -- I always tweet about whatever I can whenever I see a new Cloud Plumbing episode.

  96. Ryan 00:29:47

    I appreciate that. I’m doing what I can. You know, I talk to people from all over, but I particularly like talking to the local guys just because it’s good to kind of elevate that a little bit.

  97. Auston 00:29:57

    Yeah. I think, actually, if we look at your page I think that all of your most popular interviews are South Floridians.

  98. Ryan 00:30:05

    Yeah. That’s interesting, huh? Because there’s been some fairly high profile guys in there too, but there’s something about the local guy, right?

  99. Auston 00:30:12

    For sure. For sure.

  100. Ryan 00:30:14

    Awesome. So let’s just make sure that we’ve said this and it’s clear. February 24th and 25th, right?

  101. Auston 00:30:20

    Yes. February 24th and 25th: Miami Beach Convention Center.

  102. Ryan 00:30:23

    So yeah, people. I highly recommend get these tickets, come on down. If you’re local, come. If you’re not local you should pretend to be local for a little while. It’s awesome. And yeah; it’s a lot of fun.

  103. Auston 00:30:37

    And the site is just in case.

  104. Ryan 00:30:41

    And I’ll link that up in the show notes. Auston, thank you very much for your time.

  105. Auston 00:30:45

    Thank you. I will talk to you soon.